Tuesday, September 08, 2009

Chicken Soup



No more political pussy-footing. Pass healthcare reform now.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

PART 1:

Yeah, let's go ahead and pass that health care reform so we can finally declare bankruptcy and have absolutely zero chance of EVER fixing our financial mess. Someone please tell me, what are you willing to sacrifice in government funded programs to pass this healthcare bill? Can we reduce the budget for education? Cutting the Defense budget is only going to get you so far after we have spent so much on the TARP rescue. Let's go ahead and destroy the quality of our military like Carter did...good plan. Sure they can go on a diet but be realistic, we need a healthy military (yes, I'm all for pulling out of Afghanistan).

Even if we enacted legislation to cut immediate clearly identified pork, that's only 600 billion. Healthcare and a public option is going to cost FAR more than that. Especially after all the businesses drop their healthcare coverage so people can use the public option. Have you stopped and thought of the cause and effect relationship this will have and taken the time to follow who will be making a butt ton of money off this? If you believe this only about healthcare for all and the Dems aren't pandering to their lobbyists, you aren't being honest with yourself or your readers.

This trigger nonsense they are talking about is a cowards way of voting for the public option but not voting for it. If this was such a grand scheme, why doesn't Obama want to enforce it while he is in office? Go ahead and pass this trigger BS, we will see one of the biggest shifts in newly elected officials in our nations history. It is clear the majority of people do not want this plan.

It's in the numbers, yep, we as a nation voted for change, but clearly no one expected this. He won with a 7% victory. He is now at a -8% approval rating. The majority of the nation believe that the Congress should use the healthcare system before we do (Vitter is submitting legislation for that, would you support it?), Republicans hold a 7% lead on a Generic Ballot Poll. The president along with his team have now freaked out the country so bad, they are running back to the other side because the Democrats are out of control, they aren't even listening to their constituents at the townhall meetings held only a few weeks ago.

Anonymous said...

PART 2:


Please don't reply with the Republicans don't have any plans, do a friggin google search on Republican Healthcare Proposals (you can copy and paste that into a search engine and it will come up)and you will see that they do have plans, just not a public plan or a plan you might like. That rebuttal is not valid and hasn't been valid for some time. The funny thing is the Blue Dog Democrats get it, this bill is not a good choice, not for the country and not for their future as a politician. Pelosi and Reid have drafter a huge piece of crap that pays off their cronies and will end up reducing the quality of care for the 80% of people that currently have healthcare.

When are you and the other bloggers going to wake up and realize we have to pay for this crap. We have to raise the debt ceiling just to make our interest payment. Am I the only person that thinks that sounds really, really BAD (if you respond to anything, please make it this and justify the cost of healthcare after your response).

Why is it that anyone not for this plan and a public option is evil and hasn't attained some BS enlightment because they understand our credit card is maxed out, we are about to be hit with a wave of commercial real estate foreclosures that they haven't been telling you about that will cause any recovery to stall for another year (you can google that too) and you want to double down on a shitty plan?

Please, please explain to me how the same idiots (Dems and Repubs) who have gotten us into this fiscal mess financially are suddenly going to trim 2 trillion dollars out of their budget to pay for this fiasco? At what point are we going to return the dollar to some sort of legitimate currency?

E, I know you are a lefty and I appreciate your idealism, I do. But please stop and take 2 very large steps back and look at the big picture of reality and tell me how can you believe implementing this bill, not the idea of a public option - this bill currently drafted, how is it a good idea knowing our countries current financial situation and the potential effects this will have on our country remaining a world power.

E said...

"how is it a good idea knowing our countries current financial situation and the potential effects this will have on our country remaining a world power."


I think one of the reasons we're in the financial situation we're in has a lot to do with the fact that we pay more for healthcare per capita than every other nation on the face of the earth. You're right, I do have a very idealistic view insofar in that I recognize that health insurance companies bring nothing of value to healthcare transactions and would like to see the government implement medicare for all. I also am idealistic in that I recognize that medicare for all would actually be the fastest way to control skyrocketing healthcare costs.

But I'm also a pragmatist and recognize that medicare-for-all isn't really on the table. Therefore, I believe that the healthcare reform bill being created on the Hill, if it includes a public option plan, would be a significant and worthwhile step toward bending down the long term cost curve of healthcare. I recognize that spending a little bit now to save a lot more later is probably smart. I recognize that wages have stagnated for the better part of ten years and that American families are really hurting financially right now. I believe in free markets and the ingenuity of average American people but I believe our onerous healthcare system is one of the top one or two things that prevents people from taking the kinds of risks that a capitalist system needs to grow.

So you tell me how rejecting HR 3200 or something like it is "a good idea knowing our countries current financial situation and the potential effects this will have on our country remaining a world power."

Anonymous said...

"if it includes a public option plan, would be a significant and worthwhile step toward bending down the long term cost curve of healthcare. I recognize that spending a little bit now to save a lot more later is probably smart."

CBO released preliminary estimates suggesting that the health care proposals — the most ambitious currently under discussion — from the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee would cost $1 trillion and trim the number of uninsured by only 16 million.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23853.html#ixzz0QdSTiCfn

So let's do the Math E, 16 million people get insurance for $1 trillion. Now using my basic math skills that comes out to $62,500 per person. Assuming the 45 million uninsured is accurate and we know that they would never lie to us, that leave 29 million remaining to be insured. That means to insure everyone that will be an additional 1.8 trillion giving us a grand total of 2.8 trillion to cover everyone.

So explain to me once we put the insurance companies out of business, because that is what will happen - what is to stop the doctors and hospitals from raising cost because supply of healthcare workers and suppliers will not increase to meet the demand of 45 million new users. So instead of the insurance companies being the evil doers, you now have the Federal Health system, which is sort of what UK has now which is the third largest employer in the world.

I can see you put alot of thought into that cause and effect scenario. Maybe you should take a few more steps back to try and take in a bit more of the bigger picture. You might want to hurry because if they pass this, I don't think you will like the care you receive when you get to the age of needing it - please refer to the comments of the new director of canadian medical system for how it is working out for them and the shorter life expectancies and survival rates for those in America versus those in the UK or Canada. Then again, you can just look to Massachusetts where there medical system is bankrupt.